I would tell him that I don't want his compassion--only his respect. If he's not willing to give me that, why would I be interested in anything else he has to say?
the root offensive comment hinkley makes, from which others extend, is using the term "so-called" lesbians and gays.
and what it really reveals is that hinkley doesn't know anything about the subject.
it's difficult to impune people for their ignorance. then again, that becomes easier when ignorance remains in someone who communes directly with god himself.
i think i would encourage him to drop the ruse. his understanding of the subject is so clearly limited that it's merely embarassing to continue as though he is an authoritative "mouthpiece".
the reason "so-called" gay and lesbian people can drop mormonism is not because it deviates from who we are. rather, we're able to drop it because it becomes so obvious that it isn't what it purports to be.
namely, the universal rule against which all is measured.
I would ask President Hinckley if he thought it was possible for people with an automatic revulsion toward homosexuality to be able to overcome their supposition that it goes without saying that homosexuality is repugnant to God long enough to take the issue to Him in a serious and sincere desire to learn His will. I would then ask him if he might allow himself to one day be ready to try.
I have something to say about your main page. And I'm sure will edit this out as it will simply show a flaw in your logic. I'm not a mormon but I have to side against you on this one. It comes down to two things. 1. Either Hinkley is a prophet of God and therefore has complete authority to deny homosexuals into the LDS church, and you pleading for him to accept them is ludicrous for if it truly is Gods church then why would you want to change it and condemn everyone including those that could then join a now false church that succumbed to the wants of Man. or 2. Hinkley is a false prophet of a false church and therefore there would be no reason for you to join with them. However it's up to you which way you want to look at it. You are looking for a church that believes as you do, so don't try to change one that doesn't. That will never work. As well it shouldn't.
The previous comment by anonymous strikes me as simplistic and naive: "Either Hinkley is a prophet of God or a false prophet of a false church and therefore there would be no reason for you to join with them."
Reality is of course a lot more complex than that. Many gay and lesbian Mormons savage their spirituality and aspects of their LDS background without necessarily calling Hinckley a false prophet or leaving the Mormon tradition altogether. Indeed, reclaiming aspects of the Mormon tradition and reclaiming aspects of Mormon history and theology that have been hijacked by the current conservative LDS hierarchy can be empowering and liberating.
I stand proud and proclaim myself to be a gay Mormon for many reasons, including the fact that nothing annoys Hinckley & Packer more than that.
To those who argue that you cannot be Mormon and Gay at the same time, please stop telling the rest of us what we can or cannot believe in. If your world is so black and white, that you can only make either or choices, please do not limit the rest of us.
Gordon B. Hinckley is not perfect and neither is anyone reading this blog. He makes mistakes just like the rest of us, regardless of whether or not he is or isn't a prophet of God.
For those of you who have to be told how to live your lives, perhaps blindly obeying a prophet is a good thing for you.
I believe that it is more important to have a relationship with your higher power and rely more on personal revelation rather than having other people tell you what you can or cannot believe, do, or how to live your life. I believe that is called Free Agency.
I wouldn't bother sitting in an interview with him. When I left the church, I discovered I could have a personal relationship with God and communicate with him myself. You don't need a prophet to commune with God. You don't need a pope, a rabbi, a mullah or any other person to meet with God. Just do it. God is everywhere real love is...
I would ask why it is right for the Church to dictate what personal sacrifice one makes as in the Word of Wisdom with coffee, tea, and tobacco. Doesn't the Bible say "all things in moderation"?
I would ask in ~any~ of the religious writings for a quote from Christ, God, or the Holy Spirit, that condemns homosexuality or transgenderism. Each of us is given personal challenges in life, in our choices, and in how we deal with things that are not choices. I didn't choose to be transgendered, it's simply who I am inside. I have asked of God, and He smirked and said simply "be who I made you to be, challenge ignorance."
So that's what I do everyday--challenge ignorance. I do this, not out of choice, but because when I attempt to mold myself to the expectations of society or of religions, my life is pure depression and despair, suppressing myself within. Small wonder that the only group with higher suicide statistics than air traffic controllers is the transgendered, suffering 50% mortality by age 25 simply because of ignorance; and the more heinous crime of willful and deliberate ignorance.
HI, this is an older blog now but i just read Hollands new article in the oct 2007 ensign and i am once again upset with how the Church continues to say that we have "same gender attraction". I am hurt and disgusted that the Church thinks that they can teach suppression of our deepest natural desires to find love and share that and still think that we would ever feel welcome in the Church! My question would be to Pres. Hinckley "what are those who are opposite gender attracted so much more worthy of gods love and the churches acceptance?"
I agree. I don't think that there are only two ways to view Hinckley. Kimball reversed years of prejudice with his revelation on the priesthood. Even a prophet who communes with God recieves it line upon line. If he doesn't ask, how can he expect to recieve. I would exhort Hinckley to ask God, not just rely on the assumption that his position is correct.
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I would tell him that I don't want his compassion--only his respect. If he's not willing to give me that, why would I be interested in anything else he has to say?
the root offensive comment hinkley makes, from which others extend, is using the term "so-called" lesbians and gays.
and what it really reveals is that hinkley doesn't know anything about the subject.
it's difficult to impune people for their ignorance. then again, that becomes easier when ignorance remains in someone who communes directly with god himself.
i think i would encourage him to drop the ruse. his understanding of the subject is so clearly limited that it's merely embarassing to continue as though he is an authoritative "mouthpiece".
the reason "so-called" gay and lesbian people can drop mormonism is not because it deviates from who we are. rather, we're able to drop it because it becomes so obvious that it isn't what it purports to be.
namely, the universal rule against which all is measured.
I would ask President Hinckley if he thought it was possible for people with an automatic revulsion toward homosexuality to be able to overcome their supposition that it goes without saying that homosexuality is repugnant to God long enough to take the issue to Him in a serious and sincere desire to learn His will. I would then ask him if he might allow himself to one day be ready to try.
I have something to say about your main page. And I'm sure will edit this out as it will simply show a flaw in your logic. I'm not a mormon but I have to side against you on this one. It comes down to two things. 1. Either Hinkley is a prophet of God and therefore has complete authority to deny homosexuals into the LDS church, and you pleading for him to accept them is ludicrous for if it truly is Gods church then why would you want to change it and condemn everyone including those that could then join a now false church that succumbed to the wants of Man. or 2. Hinkley is a false prophet of a false church and therefore there would be no reason for you to join with them.
However it's up to you which way you want to look at it. You are looking for a church that believes as you do, so don't try to change one that doesn't. That will never work. As well it shouldn't.
The previous comment by anonymous strikes me as simplistic and naive: "Either Hinkley is a prophet of God or a false prophet of a false church and therefore there would be no reason for you to join with them."
Reality is of course a lot more complex than that. Many gay and lesbian Mormons savage their spirituality and aspects of their LDS background without necessarily calling Hinckley a false prophet or leaving the Mormon tradition altogether. Indeed, reclaiming aspects of the Mormon tradition and reclaiming aspects of Mormon history and theology that have been hijacked by the current conservative LDS hierarchy can be empowering and liberating.
I stand proud and proclaim myself to be a gay Mormon for many reasons, including the fact that nothing annoys Hinckley & Packer more than that.
To those who argue that you cannot be Mormon and Gay at the same time, please stop telling the rest of us what we can or cannot believe in. If your world is so black and white, that you can only make either or choices, please do not limit the rest of us.
Gordon B. Hinckley is not perfect and neither is anyone reading this blog. He makes mistakes just like the rest of us, regardless of whether or not he is or isn't a prophet of God.
For those of you who have to be told how to live your lives, perhaps blindly obeying a prophet is a good thing for you.
I believe that it is more important to have a relationship with your higher power and rely more on personal revelation rather than having other people tell you what you can or cannot believe, do, or how to live your life. I believe that is called Free Agency.
I wouldn't bother sitting in an interview with him. When I left the church, I discovered I could have a personal relationship with God and communicate with him myself. You don't need a prophet to commune with God. You don't need a pope, a rabbi, a mullah or any other person to meet with God. Just do it. God is everywhere real love is...
I would ask why it is right for the Church to dictate what personal sacrifice one makes as in the Word of Wisdom with coffee, tea, and tobacco. Doesn't the Bible say "all things in moderation"?
I would ask in ~any~ of the religious writings for a quote from Christ, God, or the Holy Spirit, that condemns homosexuality or transgenderism. Each of us is given personal challenges in life, in our choices, and in how we deal with things that are not choices. I didn't choose to be transgendered, it's simply who I am inside. I have asked of God, and He smirked and said simply "be who I made you to be, challenge ignorance."
So that's what I do everyday--challenge ignorance. I do this, not out of choice, but because when I attempt to mold myself to the expectations of society or of religions, my life is pure depression and despair, suppressing myself within. Small wonder that the only group with higher suicide statistics than air traffic controllers is the transgendered, suffering 50% mortality by age 25 simply because of ignorance; and the more heinous crime of willful and deliberate ignorance.
President Hinckley, will you listen?
HI, this is an older blog now but i just read Hollands new article in the oct 2007 ensign and i am once again upset with how the Church continues to say that we have "same gender attraction". I am hurt and disgusted that the Church thinks that they can teach suppression of our deepest natural desires to find love and share that and still think that we would ever feel welcome in the Church! My question would be to Pres. Hinckley "what are those who are opposite gender attracted so much more worthy of gods love and the churches acceptance?"
I agree. I don't think that there are only two ways to view Hinckley. Kimball reversed years of prejudice with his revelation on the priesthood. Even a prophet who communes with God recieves it line upon line. If he doesn't ask, how can he expect to recieve. I would exhort Hinckley to ask God, not just rely on the assumption that his position is correct.
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